Letters, Random Memories
and Assorted Sea Stories (Cont.)
Gary Setser Comes Aboard ...
Put me on this email list with the other derelicts:
Gary Setser RL Div, 1979-1982 YARD-PAC
"The Navy’s last eight F-14 Tomcats, and
the sailors who fly and maintain them, made their final cats and
traps on July 28, marking the last at-sea mission of the venerable
warplane." Mark D. Faram / NavyTimes Staff
from Jules J. LaMontagne, ET1, 74 West Pac, 3
Plant and RT Div.
Reading Eric Roberts' submission reminded me of my
first job after the nav, working as a power plant operator for the
City of Burbank. I was hired along with two other guys who had
recently separated from the Navy. One, who is a very good friend of
mine, was a nuke off the Long Beach. Bruce had the same attitude
about the Navy as I did. His attitude having been tempered by
similar experiences in his naval career. The third guy was a lifer
who actually showed up in his dungarees and boondockers. You can
imagine the abuse Bruce and I heaped on the poor guy.
Anyway, what prompted me to respond was Eric's
comment about his pay now being much more then he earned as an E-6.
That comment brought back a flood of memories from my last 6 months
in the Navy. I remember those pamphlets the Navy would put out,
using Navy math to show how much money we were actually making. I
thought it was hilarious when they would hit us with the job
security argument. I remember my sentiment being that I could get a
job at McDonalds, put in as many hours as I was required to in the
Navy, and come home with the same check. The advantage to McDonald's
being: #1. No duty days, #2. If my supervisor was an asshole, I
could tell him to pack sand and go work at Burger King, and most
importantly #3. McDonald's never went out to sea.
My first paycheck from Burbank was more then most
officers made. My buddy Bruce mailed a copy of his check stub to the
Long Beach, where it was posted in berthing. His brother, who was an
ELT on the ship, told him that check stub actually changed the minds
of 3 or 4 guys who were considering re-enlisting. Of course, the
first khaki to see the check stub tore it down immediately.
Of course, without the training and experience I
received in the Navy, I probably wouldn't have the career I do. Ever
since I left the Navy, the pay to work ratio has been way in my
Once Burbank saw how easy it was to train
ex-Nukes, they would snap them up when they applied for openings.
Later, when I moved to the California ISO. if you had Navy Nuke on
your resume, you were as good as in. In fact, there was a couple of
years where all the new trainees were exclusively Navy Nukes.
For all you current Navy Nukes, I hope this gives
you a little encouragement to continue to put up with the bullshit.
I know it sucks, but the perspective you gain by enduring it is as
valuable as the knowledge and experience. No matter how shitty my
day at work is going, it's not as bad as it got in the Navy.
Charles "Ed" Fresquez
Automatic Generation Control Dispatcher WAPA-Sierra
Help A Shipmate Help Others:
Dear Family and Friends,
On January 14, 2007, I will run the Houston
Marathon. Rather than just run, I am running for a reason.
While there are many deserving charities needing
funds, I chose to support the Texas Chapter of the Paralyzed
Veterans of America. I was drawn to this organization because as a
veteran myself, I wanted to find and support a charity that steps up
and really provides assistance to injured, in this case, paralyzed
Please consider a donation to this worthy cause
using my fundraising page: http://www.active.com/donate/texaspva07/robshane.
Providing education, advocacy, transportation
assistance and more, the Texas PVA is a worthwhile charity that
helps our paralyzed veterans and their families. The Texas PVA is
small compared to many charities out there and appreciates even
small donations. My initial $25 donation got a mention in their
newsletter. See their website http://texaspva.org
or the parent organization http://www.pva.org
for more information.
Many of us served or know someone who served our
country in the armed forces. This is a chance for us to show our
support for veterans needing help.
Thank you for your support!
Rob Shane http://www.active.com/donate/texaspva07/robshane
Some Great Pics from The Past:
Here are a couple of pictures I drug up from my files that I
thought I had discarded some years ago. This first picture is of the
"E" pier side at Pier 12 in Norfolk, VA, N.O.B 1965 after
her first major yard period at NNSB&DD.
This second picture is from the doorway of the shipfitter shop
looking port. As I recall that area used to get real warm from the
machinery that was under it. For those who may not remember, we were
right under the main Wardroom. This shot was taken at three in the
morning in 1966 underway for the Gulf of Tonkin.
Rich Allen May 63 - Oct. 67 R - Div firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. B Sends More Reunion Photos:
Found these pictures in the camera. Some more stuff from the
P'Mooj Opens For Robin Trower
And what a night it was! I described the event in
Crit Thinking but I'd be glad to talk about it again...
Here are some Photos someone just sent me. If it
looks like I'm 'on top of the world,' I am;)
From Last Summer...
I was looking at some pics I took last summer and
found these from the reunion weekend. The first shot is my kids
standing in front of our old familiar Pier 4 in NAS Alameda. That's
the USS Hornet park where the Carl Vinson used to
be. Commercial ships are now tied up in our old berth. The
bottom photo is from the brow of the Hornet, looking out over the
old parking lot, where many of our rust buckets sat parked in the
days of yore. I had a memory looking over that parking lot about a
long ago afternoon when I let Dicko borrow my car. When he gave me
back the keys I forgot to ask him where he parked and spent hours
looking for my car, walking aisle by aisle.
Future Big E Ops?
Never was in the Navy, other than a little Air Force ROTC, I was
never involved with the military. My Dad spent over 20 years in the
Army and advised me I would not do well there.
Been seriously engaged as an engineer and in public life as you
can see if you Google on my name.
In the last year a certain cult has made it very hard for me to
get work, so I have been writing fiction set in the post singularity
era. (Sample chapters if you want to see it.)
In the process of writing about the future, I had to generate
physically possible projects that would shape this future. One of
them is the solar power satellite project I was deeply involved with
back in the mid 70s.
You can't make sense of such a project using rockets to lift
hundreds of thousands of tons of parts, the energy payback is too
long. In the mid to late 70s we were proposing to build them from
moon rock or chunks of asteroids. The problem was that the path was
too complicated for money people to take seriously.
The geosynchronous space elevator concept has been even longer,
but the materials problem, light and extremely strong cable, stopped
it. Now it is starting to look like carbon nanotubes might be strong
enough to do the job. Sizing one for constructing power sats
requires lifting 2000 tons per day to geosynch and almost a Gw of
power to drive it.
For weather reasons, the western Pacific has been picked as the
best place for the earth anchor. There are very few mobile power
sources in this class, the Big E being one. Since the Enterprise is
due to be retired about the time in the story that the space
elevator and power sats are being built, I am working it into the
But it might actually turn out to be a workable idea, assuming
nanotubes are strong enough. The flight deck would be one scary
place if this was done, cable under high tension coming down out of
the sky at 1000 mph, going around a 30 foot wheel and back right out
of the atmosphere.
Anyway why is the Enterprise sometimes called "the
And would you like to read a bit of first draft about some poor
pulley inspector dude who gets fired out of the Enterprise at 20 g?
KP Note: I had Keith send me a copy of his draft. He
is willing to share it with any ex-nuke on this site. Contact him
John Kesterson Comes Aboard ...
John Kesterson, RL, 89-94, email@example.com
Joe Drees Comes Home From Iraq:
Just to let you all know I just got back from my
deployment to Iraq. Not as much fun as a westpac, but it "Looks
good on my evals!" Started my re-retirement paperwork today.
Finally decided that war is too hard on the body after age fifty.
BTW I served with a former MMC, now CEC Lt. Loberg.
He knew a lot of you. He's pretty cool for an officer.....
KP, Man of Character?
KP, I never served in the armed forces but read your KP and Mooj
site often. I found it about a year ago when researching one of your
nuclear power plant safety culture papers. Do the readers of the KP
Site even know that you were a famous nuclear engineer once and
published in Nuclear Technology ? I think you are the most
unique individual I've ever run across. Now, to amaze me even
further I read that you formed a rock band and opened for Robin
Trower (my all-time favorite guitar god). I am not worthy...
(I say this as I bow to you).
Note: Thanks for your kind words, Kevin. I forgot that I used to
do real scientific stuff in my former life. I'm not sure which I'm
proudest of: publishing in a major journal or opening for Robin
The Libya Event
The other day I was in a conversation about US
airpower. (A pet interest of mine.) The subject of the Gulf of Sidra
came up. Sometime in the 70s, Muammar Gaddafi drew an imaginary line
across the mouth of the Gulf of Sidra and referred to it as the
"Line of Death" declaring that anyone crossing said line
would be punished by death. The USA was not impressed, and sent a
Navy warship across the line. So Mr Gaddafi set a new line closer to
shore and declared this to be his new line of death. He then
double-dog dared us to cross it. So we did. If memory serves me, we
cycled through this scenario a number of times over a several year
period. I even seem to recall reading somewhere that the Big E had a
role in this pissing contest. Finally Gaddafi sends out a couple of
Russian made fighters. They fired off several air-to-air-missiles at
a pair of Navy F-14s. BAD IDEA!! Result : Tomcats - 2 Sukhois - 0.
Eventually, Mr. Ghadaffi started creating a bunch
of shit and we needed to give him a reality check. We sent a group
of F-111s from England down to Libya to deliver a very clear
message. Our other European "allies" wouldn't allow us to
overfly their countries on this mission. The F-111s were forced to
fly out over the Atlantic Ocean, around the Iberian Peninsula and
through the Straight of Gibraltar in order to reach Libya. Numerous
mid-air refuelings were required.
My favorite story of the era was told to me in the
mid 90s by a guy named Randy. Randy is retired Air Force. At the
time of the Libya raid, Randy was stationed somewhere in the Middle
East. His work group was shown several videos from the operation.
(The kind of stuff that never makes it out to the public.) One of
the video clips was from the nose mounted camera of a radio guided
bomb. The bombardier/navigator (B/N) uses this camera to steer the
bomb to the target.
The video clip opens with snow. Suddenly the
camera comes to life and you see the horizon. Next you hear the B/N
call for, "Release!" The horizon goes in and out of view
for a few seconds while the bomb gains aerodynamic stability.
Finally the camera focuses on the ground below the bomb. The B/N
starts talking the bomb toward it's target. "20 thousand
feet." The ground seems to be getting closer. "15 thousand
feet." The grounds of Muammar's palace come into focus.
"10 thousand feet." Now the viewers can make out large
tents on the palace grounds. "5 thousand feet." What
appears to be the front porch of the palace comes into focus. It's
now apparent that the bomb is really hauling ass. Literally the
front doors to the palace come into focus and rapidly get larger
till they almost fill the entire frame. Then the screen retreats
into snow. Several seconds pass, then the B/N can be heard saying in
a rather non-challant voice, "Knock... Knock... Motherfucker."
Regardless of your political leanings, you have to
recognize that we didn't hear much from Mr Gaddafi after that.
KP Note: Are you sure the "Line of
Death" thing wasn't 1986? Or maybe what happened in '86 was a
repeat. The Big E was awarded a Navy Exp. Medal for that day (OP
Eldorado Canyon). I recall buying a T-shirt that said: "I
crossed the Line of Death." We were in the Med and I recall
seeing dozens of Soviet "trawlers" afloat near us. Every
few hours we'd launch every aircraft we had and then land them all.
Each time we did this the soviets were radioing to Libya that
another attack was coming. Ah, the Cold War.
Album Finally Gets Reviewed!!!!!
Thickest of the heavy blues
Reviewed October 2006
Unless you live in or around the Phoenix area,
you're unlikely to have gotten turned on to the heavy '70s jam
grooves of a band that carries on the spirit of outfits like Uriah
Heep, Wishbone Ash, Robin Trower, Savoy Brown and Humble Pie.
As with those legendary blues-based bands, the
Mooj's magic begins with a solid but supple rhythm. Drummer Tracy
Miranda-Binkley and bassist Hellhound Dave Hull create a foundation
of such tremendous cohesion that guitarists Richard Chavez (rhythm)
and Bill Tuli (lead, slide) can paint their thick, swirling musical
fractals with complete confidence.
Tuli pulls a rippling, muscular sound out of his
axe, and his solos are nicely non-linear in their improvisation.
While the band is stylistically much more in line with those offered
as comparisons above, the chug-a-lug rhythm with razor-sharp guitar
leads dancing over it reminds more than a little of Creedence.
The songwriting is shared by all the members of
the band, and most of the songs are as good as what we got from
those great early '70s heavy blues combos: Long, meandering guitar
solos, thick-as-a-bowl of Southwestern chili rhythms.
The only real weakness is the lack of a strong
singer in the band. Tuli is the best of them (Chavez and Hull also
take turns), but he's competent at best. As Trower proved with his
longtime singer James Dewar, you don't need Pavarotti on the mic to
create great music, but you do need a singer whose confidence and
chops are equal to what the members of the Mooj bring to their
Review by Jim Trageser. Jim is a writer and editor
living in Escondido, Calif., and was a contributor to the
"Grove Press Guide to Blues on CD" (1993) and "The
Routledge Encyclopedia of the Blues" (2005).
Korean War Service Medal Fact Sheet
Please post this in case there's any old dudes like me who were
on board in '69. Thanks,
Korean War Service Medal Fact Sheet
Available to military veterans or primary next of kin
Period of service from June 25,1950 to July 27, 1953
Area of eligibility within the territorial waters, landmass, or
airspace over the Korean peninsula
Service must have been performed as follows:
While on permanent assignment in the area of eligibility, or
While on temporary duty in the area of eligibility for 30
consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days, or
While as a crew member of aircraft, in aerial flight over Korea
participating in actual combat operations, or in support of combat
Examples of Documentation Required for Verification of
Eligibility (one of the following is mandatory):
DD Form 214, Certificate of Release/Discharge from Active Duty
DD Form 215, Correction to Certificate of Release/Discharge from
NGB Form 22, Release from Duty
(One of the following is optional)
Assignment Orders to and from the Area of Eligibility
Temporary Duty (TDY) Orders and Travel Vouchers
Special Orders for Awards and Citations for Awards
Documentation Sources: (if you do not possess any of the
above-listed documents, you must contact the following for copies):
National Personnel Records Center (Military Personnel Records)
9700 Page Boulevard St. Louis, MO 63132-5100 The above address
covers, Army, Air Force, Navy, USMC, and Coast Guard records.
Processing Procedures: If you are eligible based on the above
criteria and have a copy of the required source document(s), you
should prepare your request using the example format provided and
mail it to the address in the example.
Re: Korea Medal
KP, Please edit what I sent you re: the medal.
This was awarded to us for our participation in Task Force 71 from
April to May 1969.
KP Note: Actually, Dale, I'm
confused. Did The E earn a Korean War Service Medal? What was Task
|A Shipmate Has
Sorry to inform you that Pablo (Speedy) Gonzales,
DC3 Forward Hull Shop 65/67 passed away last Sunday at 05:55 and
will be sorely missed (He also ran the typewriter shop for a year or
so) by his Family and myself.
Jim Zuvich DC3 65/67
Steven Brown Comes Aboard ...
Please add me to the list:
Steven Brown EM14, 1987 - 1991 firstname.lastname@example.org
What a cool site!
James Ross Comes Aboard ...
James E. Ross EM-22, EM-23 March 99-Jun 03 email@example.com
TF 71 & KDSM Info:
KP, Attached is a link to info on the Enterprise
and task force 71, also to info on the KDSM.
Because I Can ...
I noticed that there has yet to be published a
Psychedelic Mooj newsletter (from the official site anyway). I have
no knowledge of who has signed up for these newsletters or if
they'll ever be written (and by whom). So guess what! I'll write my
own for "my" intended audience. Here is a link to
On a side note, I saw that Dr. Raj Kumar Chawla
(my fictional editor) is now listed on an official Indian
"Who's Who" webpage.
The Libya Event (Revisited)
Did a little Google search on the Libya event(s) and found some
interesting info. To my surprise, there were TWO Libya vs.Tomcat
encounters a number of years apart.
* Gaddafi first declared the Gulf of Sidra to be the sovereign
territory of Libya in 1973. This was the first of several times he
drew an imaginary line in the territory and used the term "Line
* On 19 Aug 1976 two Navy F-14s from VF-41 Black Aces off the USS
Nimitz were patrolling the airspace over the Gulf. They encountered
two Sukhoi 22 Fitters who, without warning, fired two AA2-Atolls at
the Tomcats. They missed. In retaliation, the Tomcats returned a
pair of Sidewinders. They did NOT miss! (Rumor has it that this
event was the inspiration for several of the scenes in the 1986
movie "Top Gun".)
* In the ensuing years, Gaddafi continued to be a dick on the
world stage. Finally, President Reagan decided he had had enough of
Gaddafi's shit. On 14 Apr 1986, twenty-four USAF F-111s were
dispatched from the UK in Operation El Dorado Canyon. A highly
successful bombing raid which cooled Mr. Gaddafi's jets ( no pun
intended) for some time to come.
* On 4 Jan 1989, two F-14s from VF-32 Swordsmen off the USS John
F Kennedy were back on Gaddafi's side of the line. They encountered
two MiG-23 Floggers. The Floggers unwisely fired on the Tomcats
without provocation. As in the first encounter, the air-to-air
missiles missed. The Tomcats returned one Sidewinder and one
Sparrow. The results were the same as in the 1976 encounter. ( 'nuff
Hope everyone has a great Veterans Day,
Jason Watson Comes Aboard ...
just wanted to get added to your email list. i was in RM-14 from
94-99. Thanks a lot.
Jason Watson firstname.lastname@example.org
HAPPY VETERAN'S DAY!
To all my fellow Vets, Happy Veteran's Day! At 5PM
EST Sat, Nov 11, let's do a Virtual Toast. Wherever you are, raise
your glass (mine will have beer in it) and toast all who proudly
wore (and still wear) the uniform.
Airdale Seeking Help
I am an ex-Navy aircraft mechanic, currently
writing a (partly true) novel. Problem is, I spent my enlistment
ashore, working the F-18 opeval, back when that was a radical new
The story takes place aboard a near-future,
near-derelict Enterprise, and I know nothing of such details as the
reactor room layout, realities reactor operation, etc. I'm getting
by on artful vagueness so far, but I'd really like to improve the
Anyone who can help will get free updates of the
story (this is a fraction of what has been written) and may even be
written in if they display a sufficiently pungent personality. When
we make the movie you'll really be rockin'.
AMS2 Walter Mitchell
KP Note: Walter sent me the first few
chapters and I quite enjoyed them. If you would like to assist
Walter with his project, please contact him via above email addy.
Walter, you may also wish to join Crit Thinking, our navy nuke
clubhouse (or as we like to claim, the latter-day balcony of O-
Town's Shark's Cove). Many of your ideas can be bounced around there
RP Jones Comes Aboard ...
Jones, R.P. "JAFO" EM-11 2001-2005 email@example.com
Walter Mitchell, when I exited the Nuclear Navy in August of '85,
I had to sign an agreement with the Navy regarding non-disclosure of
Naval Nuclear Power information. I still have a copy of that sheet
for memory sake. It basically covered any thing having to do with
the program. If you read through KP's terrific web site, there are a
lot of general references to plant activity in all the great stories
involving the life of a nuke on board the greatest bird farm ever.
There is nothing that I have seen that would be specific, but there
is a lot of reading and I could have missed something specific. I
would be leery about putting specifics in writing and having my name
tied to it. On the other hand, it has been twenty-one years and I am
not sure what the current stance is regarding this, but I would fail
to the conservative side. Just a thought . . . You never know who is
reading the internet.
Rusty Maxwell EM1 RE Div 81 - 85
KP Note: Walter is currently learning all he
wants to know with the Crit Thinking bunch. Most of the 'ex-lifers'
on there know what can and can't be told. Never turn to poor KP for
this type of discretion, however, as NRRO is always 'correcting my
ways' on this site.
She's HOME Again!!!!
I don't know how long they'll have it up, but
right now the Norfolk, Va newspaper's web site has a video of the
Enterprise homecoming Saturday morning after six and a half months.
The link is about halfway down the page on the left side. The URL is
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
To all my shipmates, past, present and
future.... Have a great Thanksgiving. I am so happy that the
current crew can spend the Holiday with friends and family (unless
they are nukes). Here's a virtual toast to all current Big E sailors
for a Job Well Done!
Ports O' Call (2006)
Update for the Deployment list
We Left May 2, 2006 arrived Nov 18, 2006
Kuala Lampur, Malaysia
Jebel Ali, UAE
KP Note: Wow,
The Big E saw some old Westpac favorites such as Pusan, HK and
S'Pore. Alas, No Subic or Perth.
Schmidty is Back!
Finally back. Actually got back to the Nuke world
so to speak. Supporting Bubbleheads now. What a bunch of queens.
Think I am heading to the desert in about eight months. Nothing else
yet as I have to catch up on about 10 pages or so. Toots to John
Kesterson. Whaddup, Bro?
Schmidty, RL 90-94
Gary Finke Comes Aboard!
Scott Fullam told me about your site a few years
ago but I didn't have a computer then. Great site!!! Please post my
e mail address.
Gary Finke EE-30 1986-1989
KP Note: Gary! I remember you very well.
I'm pretty sure we exchanged many sigs on our qual cards when I was
doing LD and you were doing RE. Are you in Alaska?
A 3-Plant Story
How ya doing? Great web site. I would like to add
I was on the pig from March 1990 until October
1997 so I had to endure the full yard period during the refueling
and complex overhaul. I originally worked in RM-11 but every once in
a while, especially after the 3 plant high airborne fiasco, was sent
over there to help out. One of these times the yard birds were in
the process of relagging the whole plant but as we know testing
waits for no man. Then MM1 Mike D_lton, now MMCM, and I were tasked
with performing a PZR venting evolution. For those of you who have
never done this, it's kind of scary. 600 degree water and 2500 +
pounds of pressure shaking the whole damn plant as it leaves / turns
from steam into water. Anyway we start moving water, the whole place
is shaking, dust/lagging/etc. is flying off the pipes, yard birds
working everywhere oblivious to what we are doing, etc. In the
process I smell something burning and ask Mike if we should stop and
as usual he says to fuck it. The next thing we know some yard bird
is screaming like hell running out of the bilge with the back of his
coveralls on fire. Apparently he was sitting on the wrong pipe at
the wrong time. Mike and I almost shit ourselves we were laughing so
hard. Same situation later on in one plant where they called away a
fire in disbursing. Apparently that length of pipe never was
relagged and some SK thought it would be a great storage area for
We had an arsonist while in the yards and were
constantly putting out fires everywhere including in engineering
spaces. I would of liked to get a hold of that bastard. Some dopey
book names (which I still have one of) which come to mind include
8-ball, stovetop the ultimate redneck, the fossil, rainbow warrior,
LO chips, the bandit, ghostrider, elgore, etc.)
Talk to you later, Frank.
When I reported to NPS Bainbridge in mid 1973, I
was assigned to the barracks at the end of the grinder. I don't
remember if it had a number, but it was commonly referred to as the
"Nuke Hilton". It was a fairly modern brick building but
the rules were pretty anal. My room mate was none other than the
infamous ET3 Bob Brock. Generally speaking, I was not a happy
That first weekend I was over at the
"Fiddlers Green" shooting the shit with a tableload of
dudes I knew from MM "A" school. I somehow ran into EM3
Bob Atkinson who was from Richmond, Virginia and had gone to Sacred
Heart Elementary School at the same time as me. (Though we didn't
know each other.) Bob was in the class immediately ahead of 7401 and
lived in Barracks 604. His roommie had just flunked out and Bob was
looking for new companionship. We picked up a six pack of Schlitz
and went over to the barracks so I could check it out. The barracks
were within easy staggering distance from Fiddlers Green.
Physically, the place was a rats nest, but there were no room
inspections, we were openly drinking beer in the spacious 2 man
room, you could do pretty much as you pleased. Next day I checked
out of the Nuke Hilton and moved in with Bob. My good friend from
"A" school, Barry Colebank also lived in Barracks 604 as
did my future Enterprise buds Ron Ogan, Steve "Willy"
Wilson, Burt Page and "Paulie" Stock.
Our room was on the second floor on the back side
of the building. We had the last room on the hallway and were next
to a door that went outside. We soon had a black light and posters
to go with it. I had my stereo set up and we were starting a beer
can pulltop collection which eventually went around the room. Life
One night Barry and I came back after being over served
at Fiddlers Green. We went to the second floor head to take a piss
before going to bed. This was a weekend and the head was a total
mess! I began complaining to Barry that people would leave the head
in this condition. After I had taken a leak I went to the gear
locker and found two 1 gallon plastic jugs of industrial strength
ammonia. I poured the entire contents of the jugs on the floor
telling Barry that that would fix the situation. We both then went
to our rooms and turned in.
I had just settled in when I heard commotion out
in the hallway. Soon there was a loud banging on my door. I groggily
told whoever it was to go the f**k away. Barry's voice yells through
the door, "Open up now, O'Neill!" I climbed out of bed and
opened the door to see Barry standing there in his skivvies. He
said, "The Command Duty Officer is here and he's PISSED!"
I looked down the hall and there were a number of people staggering
around and coughing. Some had blankets over their heads and were
walking into walls. I put on a T shirt and followed Barry down to
the head. The CDO was there and Barry was right, the guy WAS pissed!
We each found a mop and started mopping up the ammonia all the while
saying shit like, "Gee, who would do something like this? What
a bunch of irresponsible assholes." When we were done, the CDO
thanked us and said that he wished more people were responsible like
us. We had dodged a very big bullet.
Barracks 604 closed a short time before we
graduated. I had duty on one of the very last nights that the
barracks were open. I stood the 00 to 04 Barracks 604 Fire and
Security Watch. In my boredom, I noticed a lot of flies. I took the
watch log book and held it open in my hands. Soon a fly landed on
the book and I slammed it shut. I had smashed the fly in between 2
pages. I repeated this over and over for the rest of the watch in an
attempt to squash one fly in between each and every page. I think I
came pretty close.
A little over a year later I was having a few cold
ones in some titty bar in the Wan Chai district of Hong Kong.
Somebody at our table told a story of being on watch in NPS and
finding a fly smashed between each page of the log book. I busted up
because the guy didn't know it was me.
Shipmate Asking for Advice:
Hello, my name is Nicholas D. I am currently an
ET3, waiting results of the ET2 test. I have been in for nearly 3
years now, and eagerly await my 6 year point. I have been told by
many, but proven by few, that ex-nukes can get good jobs. If you can
forward me some good resources or point me in the right direction,
that would be excellent. Also, do you have any recommendations for
quals to get done before I get out. should I try to get ERS done? I
have ESWS done and am almost finished with EAWS. I have been on the
big E for almost a year now. should I reup for the two years and try
to make ET1? Would that really help?
KP Note: First of all, welcome back from
your 'sorta' Westpac. I'm probably not the guy to ask these type of
questions to because I'm not really in an engineering profession at
the moment. Hundreds of KP Site readers are, and I'm sure they'll
have good insights for you. There are also many senior enlisted
folks here (and on Crit Thinking) and they are full of good advice.
(They won't bullshit you in other words.) I recommend you join
Crit Think and this will give you a better one-on-one rapid response
to these type of questions. Those wishing to address this topic in
general can do so on the KP site and I'll post it.
Hey, tell us about your recent cruise!
Some Great Photos from Bill Hilow!
The new Album looks cool. Sounds pretty good too.
I have been meaning to scan and get these pics to you for years. I
have dozens more of the guys. Briefly: 1) Which Swgr was this pic
taken? 2) Remember Martin? Forgot the other dude. Think he was new.
3) Dennis Hrdina and Me. 4) Kevin Kidder, Schlegel, and some nub
from Power Shop 5) Scotty Fulham and Hrdina Thailand.
Hope you can use them.
Wishing you and the Family the best of the
Bill Hilow former EM1 CVN 65 eng. Dept. 86-91 SF
KP Note: Great to hear from
you again, Bill. Thanks for the photos. What a blast from the past!
Of course I'd know 7&8SWGR anywhere, though I never stood watch
there. Too many EE30 pukes hanging around:).
That was S. Kirpatrick
with RJ. Too bad RJ has his hand curled like he does. Otherwise you
guys could have seen his infamous giant "Texas" size-Texas
Can't forget old Dennis H. and neither can my poor sister,
as he puked all over her living room one night. Did I ever tell that
story on this site? If not, I'd rather not recall it.
I'm not sure
what Kidder and the other's are doing dressed like that in a place
like Thailand. (actually, never mind.) Kidder was a great pal of mine
and I'm pretty sure I've mentioned some of our hi-jinks on this
site. I have no idea where he is these days. I also remember
those liberty boats in Thailand. You had to jump off in a few feet
of water and wade ashore (and vise-versa getting back on). I recall
this was compounded by having to carry a semi-conscious shipmate
onto the boat one night.
Speaking of renown E-Div'rs, the
other night I was thinking of Scottie Crowe. Back in 'the day' he
taught me dozens of Ted Nugent songs. A few weeks ago the P'Mooj was
doing a show and a fan (I say that with confidence because she
bought a CD and T-shirt) asked us to play Stranglehold.
My bass player said he probably hadn't played that song in 30 years
but that he could fake it, if need be. I remembered learning it from
Crowe and so I said, I, too, could fake it so we'd work it into one
of our Mondo Mooj jams. So we did. I noticed the 'fan' wasn't paying
attention while we were doing the song. I kept calling at her over
the mic trying to get her attention. She was too busy being drunk I
guess. After a few more songs she came up and asked us, "Hey,
when you gonna play Stranglehold?"
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that a
few nights ago we were doing a show at Alice Cooper's place. (Notice
how I name drop now.) It was
the night before the big Barbara Streisand show in Phoenix. Most of
her crew came over after setting up the stage and totally dug us.
Her head roadie even bought our CD and asked for our drummer's drum
sticks (not sure why). He promised to play the CD where Barbara
would have to hear it in the background somewhere. Hey, maybe she'll
I saw that Alyssa Ng__en signed on the site on page 41 and you
said welcome to a new female sailor. Alyssa Ng__en is actually the
Woman living inside of a Dude. No seriously, it’s a dude with a
woman living inside of him. Thought you should know. I’m sure you’ve
already gotten plenty of emails about this, though.
KP Note: Huh? No, this is the only email I've gotten about
it. I have no idea what this guy is telling me. Can someone (in
private) email me and tell me what I should know.
MY GIFT TO YOU (Big Deal)
Okay, Bros, the second book of The
Enlightenment is ready and uploaded for your editing help. If
you spot typos, let me know. This goes for Part One as well. Some of
these PDFs are large due to graphics...beware.
Find these thrilling 'new and improved' newsletters
in the Mooj Archives.
I'd like to get these books published now. If you
have a publishing agent you trust (or know of) let me know. Part
Three and Part Four are almost done. I'd like to get them printed in
a bound book (like the National Lampoon parodies) but I'm too cheap
to spend my own money.
Hey, Someday I could be rich and famous and then
you could all be in my entourage!!!!!
Advice for Post Navy Life ..,
KP, This is Joe B from Ike. I got out after my initial 6 in 1990
and took a job with the power company as an operator at a coal-fired
power plant. I could easily have gotten a job at a nuke plant, but I
basically avoided them for two reasons. For one thing, the nuke
plants in Va (where I'm from and wanted to stay) are located in
rural areas, and I like to be in or near the city. The other reason
had to do with wanting to avoid the highly uptight culture that is
prevalent in the nuclear power industry. I'm in an office job now
doing electrical engineering (more or less) work even though I never
did get a degree. I would have more doors open to me if I had a
degree. My advice to Nicolas D is don't stay in the Navy two more
years just to make ET1. You've already seen enough of the Navy to
make an informed decision whether you want to make it your career.
If you don't want to make it a career then I would say to get out
after 6. If you are interested in pursuing work in an engineering
field after the Navy then you should get an engineering degree. You
have enough time before your 6 is up to start putting money aside.
When you get out you can take the money you've saved and apply for
whatever loans and grants you can get. If you have to work part-time
while you're a student then do that. Get a BS degree in the
engineering discipline of your choice (probably electrical,
electronics or nuclear?). Then go get a job serving in an
engineering capacity. Work for a couple of years and then go back to
school online or evenings or whatever and pursue a masters degree
either in engineering or you could go for the MBA. In other words,
do what I should have done but didn't because I was too lame and
lazy or didn't believe in myself enough or whatever excuse you care
to insert. Good luck.
Joe Charette Comes Aboard ...
Wow KP!! It has taken me an entire week to read
through all the sea stories! Very Cool Site, and hats off for
ET2 Joe Charette RC23 89-93
I vaguely remember you as a short-timer when I
arrived on the E with a huge crowd of others prior to the 89-90
cruise, but many are the names of other shipmates that I have gotten
hammered with scattered through the stories!!
I saw the question, and as far as I know, the
Enterprise was called the Big-E… the Pig E then became too easy a
step, and shortened to the Pig for those of us lucky enough to have
Let me throw out a couple other names of the
guilty to see if we can round them up and get them to acknowledge
their presence, along with some story starters.
Dave Raithel’s name on the email list got me to
your site. I saw it linked on wikipedia while searching for
Enterprise trivia for people I work with.
Culp and Seery, two 3 plant RC divers that were
always up to no good as far as I could tell, but were fuckin
hilarious to stand LRPT for.
Kevin Vanderaa was LPO of RC23 when I reported in,
I think Flange was our Chief.
A whole crew of us from Idaho all arrived on
station at the same time, James Henninger, Curt McCaffrey, Pete
(Otis) Smith and others.
John Mulvaney and I met the Ice Princess in
I spent Christmas day 1989 in Singapore
grotesquely hung over on duty standing CPAW in 3RARLL. It felt about
150 degrees, I was bagged a whole watch, and I now can’t remember
who bagged me. I do remember listening to the sound of a whiz-bang
running in the bilge for 12hrs. (6hr port watches remember!)
Keith Baker and Hans Fairchild manning a chem
shack while making parts for the ground pounder…
An unfortunate event in the parking lot with
yellow poly and a little magenta!!
I saw Chief Witcher singed in, he was ET1 and my
section advisor in A-School. “You can do that if you want to…..don’t
know why you’d want to.”
Pat Hoban kept me from drowning in the crapper by
holding the back of my shirt while I voided an excessive volume of
alcohol consumed in Alameda prior to departure, and I don’t think
I ever thanked him properly.
Neish was violent when you had to wake him up for
watch, I used to poke him with a broom handle to keep from getting
kicked or punched. (a second time)
The Applebees crew of the Overhaul!!
During the cruise, what was the name of the coop
guy Vangasbeck maybe? And Ira?
Great to see all the names, I know lots more of
the people who have posted, McMillan, Steele, Davis, and many
others, great to hear you are all doing well.
Cluney, Scoggins, Arnauld, Wright, and many many
others should be ashamed for helping me qualify anything, but
anyway, proud to have served with all of you.
A watch officer during overhaul with a TGIDAY7 license
plate. (lifer dude too)
A very cool WO who played Blackjack in AC on days
Anybody who remembers a story or addition to one
of my starters, feel free to chime in.
Moojism On Parade
Just downloaded Part Two of The Enlightenment.
I was (am) a big fan of the Mooj stuff you wrote years ago. I have
to say I never laughed so hard in my life. I know the original
storyline and see that you kept it, while changing the characters. I
can't wait for Part Three.
Steve-O- (Mooj Head, forever!)
KP Note: Thanks, Steve. I wish I still had
Mooj T-shirts available. Well, actually I do (Psychedelic Mooj
T-shirts that is). Send me your snail mail address and size and I'll
send you one. I really enjoyed refining and expanding on this era of
Moojism. Sadly, hardly anyone is downloading the 'free' book. If
nothing else, check out the kielbasa artwork. I worked really hard
Nathan Hughes Comes Aboard ...
My name is Nathan Hughes and I served in RM-22
from 1997-2001. Could you please list me under Hughes.Nathan@gmail.com
Dave Way Comes Aboard ...
Dave Way, RL-DIV 1993-1997.
I have a few stories to tell but i am waiting on
the statute of limitations to expire. keep up the good work and
thanx for this site.
Dave Vernier Checks Back In ...
Rusty Maxwell's memory is correct on the Fwd Group
Sup. turnaround. He turned it over to Mark Ohrstom who turned it
over to me. Ricky Kuhn replaced Dave Hoffman as Aft Group Sup. then
Jerry Wheeler. EMC Whitsett had just become the new Division Chief
and I was the 4-plant LPO when MMC Bush wrote up EM2 Lee Schaaf for
not clearing a tagout properly on the Rx fill pump. You know we
always did our maintenance properly and quickly in 4-Plt. Anyway,
Chief Bush had just bought a very nice 30 cup stainless steel coffee
pot in Olongapo and needed it electrically safety checked before he
could use it. When I showed up for my next watch I made sure I had
my wire cutters for the safety check. I think the mechanics had
Chief's berthing on speed dial because I did not make it out of the
RAR with the coffee pot (minus the cord plug) before Chief Bush
& Chief Whitsett came running down the stairs. I let Whitsett do
all the talking (negotiating) and before the next morning , Chief
Bush was brewing coffee in his new coffee pot, Lee Schaaf was no
longer wrote up and I was the new Fwd Group Sup. and a marked
Dave Vernier 83-87
KP Note: It is always great to hear from
you, Dave. I remember nothing was better than seeing you come down
early to inspect 4SWGR during that dreaded '87 SRA so we could get
out of there (sometimes as early as 9AM). The poor aft groupers
usually couldn't find Wheels until noon, and he never let them go
without another hour or two of busy-work.
Don Rogers changes Email Addy:
Could you please change my email address to firstname.lastname@example.org?
I served aboard the Big E during the refueling from 1992-1994.
Mike Donithan Comes Aboard ...
Just found your site from a referral from another
Enterprise alum and I'd like to be added to your contact list,
Mike Donithan, RL Div, 1987-89, email@example.com
Mark Wadusky Comes Aboard ...
I would like to be added to the list of former REA
division personnel. I served onboard from 2000-2004 in RC-22, then
moved to Reactor Training (RT) and finally to RC-23. The email I
would prefer to use is firstname.lastname@example.org
V/r ET1(SW) Mark S. Wadusky
SAILOR LOVING DAMSEL IN DISTRESS
Dear King Paul, All my life I've loved sailors. My dad served on
the LSD Ashland after he enlisted at 17. As an only child he could
have easily avoided the draft, but chose to serve his country. He
had to talk me out of enlisting when I turned 18. My husband served
on the Constellation(2 yrs) and the Enterprise(4yrs) and now, for
his 50th birthday, I'd like to find something special for him, and
if possible, something special for my dad's 80th birthday, too. They
would both like to find jackets that have the tours their ships took
while they served embroidered on the back. My husband says he's seen
such a jacket in the past - a black satin jacket with a 'map' on the
back, but I can't seem to find one anywhere. My dad wants the USS
Ashland 1944 cruise and my husband, 1978 westpac. PLEASE DON'T POST
THIS IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO DIRECT ME - If not, do whatever you can.
Thanks in advance
KP Note: Can someone help this damsel find the gear she
needs? I deleted her email address so just send info to me and I'll
post it here. I recommend eBay, look under cruise jacket or ship's
jacket. The best source for these kind of jackets was Olongapo but
I'm sure all those tailor shops are closed down by now. I bought a 'cruise
jacket' in '86 or '88 and gave it to my sister. I think she still
David Raithel Comes Aboard ...
I was just catching up on the web site and ran
across a lot more of the stories from my era on the Big
"E" Oct.1989-Nov.1996. I saw one story about Skeletor, who
I thought was CDR Morin aka. "Moron". I have lost touch
with al ot of good friends since leaving the "Pig" and
would like to get back in touch with them and hopefully this helps
me. Unlike a lot of the guys from those days, I am still in the Navy
and still enjoy it for the most part. Ewwwwww...did I really say
that? I have recently got back in touch with Joe Charette, Frank
Trapp and Tim O'Grady, but would like to get in touch with the
following: Todd Hayward (RM-23), Scott Christina (RM-23), Rick Beard
(RM-11), Dino Murabito (RM-11), Brian Baliko (RM-11), Jeff Johnson
(RC-11), Chris Nelson (RC-11) and I'm sure there are others who I
knew over my 6 years 11 months and 13 days on the "Pig".
Please feel free to e-mail me at email@example.com
I am currently at "A" School, made
chief, got married after 36 years of bachelorism and still love to
get out on the lake or in the woods fishing and hunting. I'll get
back with some of the good old days sea stories with Jesse "3
Charlie" Adams, the "Iguana", the PI, the 89 World
cruise with the XO passed out on the curb and all of the pictures
posted around the whole boat when we pulled out of PI (CDR Naughton)
and a host of others. Keep the site going fellas.
Dave Raithel.....Delta Chi name -
"Raw-Hell" aka...Kilgore (dopey book)
Mike Powell Checks Back In ...
Thought I would send this out to have you change
my email address in the directory. I had to change it over to firstname.lastname@example.org.
If you can change it over, I appreciate it.
I have been reading all the stories in the
website, and I have to admit, I am getting scared to death. I am
starting to remember some of the stuff that went on during my
"trial of duty". I saw that picture of RJ and that scared
me half to death. I remember shacking up with RJ and his mom in
Newport News when we got back from the 89-90 World Cruise. I think I
remember the fact that he showed me that damn Texas ring more than
once. I also have this vivid image of running over one of RJ's mom's
poodles in the driveway and having to bury her in the back yard. And
for anyone that thinks that shacking up with the RJ's was
foolish.......you are probably right, but I was young, dumb, and
fool of stupidity. But at least I ended up getting a new vehicle out
of it, with the help of Momma.
I don't have many souvenirs of the GPH, but I did
find one of those lovely blue helmets that we were required to wear
around the shipyard. I think mine was cracked when an acorn fell on
it as I was leaving the parking lot to go on shift one night. I
still have some of the "glasses" they provided us too.
They make for some great costume extras for Halloween.
As far as RE02 is concerned, Fisher probably still
wishes he could have kicked my butt for some of the stupid stuff I
used to say to him. And that goes double for Spike. And I also
remember trying to get into the RE Office late at night to study (go
figure) and listen to the Boston tape that was in the office. I have
no idea about anything else, but if more pictures are posted, the
memories may come back.
Just to let everyone know (if you care at all), I
am sitting here under ground in a Civil Defense bunker that was
constructed in the mid 70's. I am surrounded by radios, telephones,
and asbestos lagging and tiles, which that in itself brings me back
to the days standing watch in the EOS or the Switchgears. If anyone
wants to shoot the bull, I am usually logged on to Yahoo Messenger
as huck911 between midnight and 8AM EST. I am the nightmare of the
shift, and also the shift supervisor, but I am not doing the nuke
thing anymore, but dispatching 9-1-1 calls for all fire, medical,
and law enforcement problems in Allegany County, Maryland. So, if
you're up and bored, give me a buzz, or just throw out a shout.
Thanks for everything in advance.
Mike Powell RE02 1989-1993
KP Note: Huck! Great to hear from you
again. WTF? You lived with RJ and his mom? How come I didn't know
that. (I guess I was gone before I could warn about the mysterious
goings-on type of things that no one talked about.) Actually you
probably know more than any of us. I knew RJ pretty much from
A-School and recall that wherever RJ was (GLAKES, Orlando, Alameda)
his mom was to. She was often at RE Div parties I recall. She was a riot.
Sometime in the mid 80s RJ and his mom had this other guy as a
roommate (Can't remember his name; I don't even think he was a
nuke). It was one of those "The less I know about this the
better" type things. One of these days I want to write a book
about RJ, as he was one of my favorite characters on The Big
SEE THE P'MOOJ LIVE (From the comfort of
your own home--If you have High Speed Internet)
The P'Mooj was in town (because we live here) and
did a show at the World Famous Trax outdoor arena. Some kind person
bootlegged a few songs with a cell phone camera and put them on
YouTube for us. How nifty! Here they are in no particular order:
Gonna Love Ya (I'm singing out of tune)
(I forget all the lyrics and make stuff up)
My Heart (12 friggen minutes worth, no idea where I am or what
Bot, Bot (my guitar is too loud)
Bot Bot (from an earlier show)
Speaking of P'Mooj!
Get your tickets early!
Kid Pillow Checks Back In
I was checking out your youtube and the Mooj band
- very impressive, but what's up with using the name
"Bill"? If anything it should be King Paul. As a favor,
can you post one of your cartoons from the dopey book? - it should
be required reading during boot camp or nuke school. Hey the story
from Dave Vernier (good guy) was enjoyable - anything about Chief
Bush is good reading. Once Bush made Buric drive back from a camping
trip in Mendocino (3 hours away) just for a hair cut inspection.
Bush inspected Buric's hair on Thursday morning we left to camp with
our girl friends, but prior to leaving Bush said he wanted to
re-inspect on Saturday (just to mess with him). I told Buric to tell
him to cram it, but Johnny B being a good sailor drives back 3 hours
to the ship, Bush inspects for 2 minutes and then said he was free
to go. Bush was a dick. Only in the Navy could a guy like that
I get over to Phoenix several times a year I'll
try and call and see if you are around. Maybe you could show me the
"Blues" I have an acoustic. minor 7's
Gil Miltenberger (aka Kid Pillow)
KP Note: Hey, KP (the other KP). I recall
how everyone got us confused because we both signed our Dopeybook
slams as "KP." And then poor Paul Smith would also get
backsplash because people thought he was King Paul. Too funny.
I actually have both 87 and 88 Dopeybooks online at http://re04.tripod.com/
I scanned them (pretty crudely) in 1999. All the
good stuff is there, including your infamous "Rump Ranger"
cartoons. Next time you're in Phoenix we'll sit down and go through
the Dopeybooks again.
Now that John Buric is a big time lawyer (and I
hope has political aspirations) he can look up Chief Bush and give
him the biz.
Gary Finke Returns ...
Yes I'm in Alaska now, There wasn't enough cold and " SNOW
" in Minnesota for me anymore! But I wanted to comment about
Bill Hillow's pictures that he sent in. Even though I was a EE 30
puke the SWGR that Bill is in is 2&3!!! Not 7&8 as you
stated, since there is no 7&8 SWGR. And 5&6 SWGR was where
EE 30's shop was. Keep up the good work on the site, I check in
Gary Finke EE 30 86-89
KP Note: yep, I meant 5&6; not sure where the 7&8
came from. I'm surprised all you other Load Toads let that one slip
by! What do you do in Alaska? I sometimes dream about driving to
Alaska along the old scenic Alaskan Highway.
Mooj O' Rama
KP, loved your Youtube and Google videos. I can
tell you really have no idea what you're singing about out there.
Even when you sing the right lyrics you transpose them or get them
backwards. When can we get Psychedelic Mooj T-shirts? I just bought
your CD and loved it. Is Bot, Bot, Bot a dirty song? What
exactly are you trying to show that you got?
KP Note: Hmmm. Since this guy bought a CD
I'll let his comments about me not remembering lyrics slide:) I
admit I refuse to memorize anything that might take the space of my
mind reserved for important scientific formulae (that will make me
I have no idea when T-shirts will be added to our official
site. It should be very soon. We sell lots of them at our shows
since no one has figured out how to download them for free
I had little to do with Bot Bot Bot. In fact I'm
not even on the studio version of the song available for free
download because it was moving day and Mrs. KP wasn't in the mood to
hear how I needed to stay late at a recording studio instead of
helping her unload stuff. (This was the same day we recorded
Lonesome Hound for the Buddy Blue Tribute Album). My band mate
Richard Chavez wrote the song about search engines (he does that
type of stuff for a living). I have no idea what a Bot is. People
love the song; and, as far as I know it's the only song about search
engines ever written. I like doing the song live (because I can use
excessive whaa whaa pedal).
Rob Shane Checks Back In ...
KP, Catching up tonight and saw Bill Hilow's pictures. I knew it
wasn't 7&8 (come on, who sat on your LD board?) and figured
2&3. Ah the good ol' days. 2&3 sucked because no one EVER
came in there, especially late or overnight. You had to load up on
coffee or tea to keep from passing out hard. As I recall, there was
a quart+ pitcher sitting behind the a/c unit because the funnel was
too low to the deck and the rover didn't want to relieve you there
either! I think that was where someone snuck down the escape hatch
and made ghost sounds to the "delight" of Zippy.
Concur with Joe B's notes to Nicholas D about life after the
Navy. If you have an idea of your direction, save up your money, go
to school and go for it. Look at Dr. Craig, who was our EE30 bud.
Me, I still didn't know what the heck I wanted to do, took a crappy
maintenance job in Oakland for a couple of weeks while seeking other
things and have been working at the same place for 16.5 years.
Started as a computer tech covering northern CA and now am a manager
living in Texas. I know KP remembers Tim Br__n from RE Div in our
days; he's a salesman for my company in Orlando. Another nuke, tuber
ET is a manager here in TX, he also started as a tech in Florida.
Opportunities abound for smart people who are willing to work
hard; degrees are not necessarily required, but do help open doors.
Work hard, maximize your experiences, don't lie to your
ps: I was looking for something a week or so ago and found the
reenlistment bonus charts for various deals and think i saw that the
nuke bonus could be as much as 75K. Is that right? For a single guy,
that might be worth an extra two years to stash for college. Seems
like most of the Star-babies in the 80s had new Cameros and were
Time to Ramble On ....
Venture forth, my brothers, to Page